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I've adjusted and adjusted, and my Bumm Albert copy mirrors are just not working. I don't think that Vech's Alberts will help, it's not the field of view, it's just seeing (or not seeing) the glass. Between the low handle bars and my height (6') I just can't easily move my body to see the mirrors. In my drive way, they seem like they will work, but on the road in real life, they don't cut it.

I had handle bar mounted mirrors which functioned well, but I did not like the way the bike looked.

So, for kicks I reversed my Bumms and mounted upside. I can see great with them like this. I don't love the way they look, but I like them better than the handle bar mounts.

I know you purist will not approve, but have any of you guys done this and just how goofy does it look?

Be kind...

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Personally, I don't like the

Personally, I don't like the look. But I really don't see what the problem is with the headlight mirrors. I have Bumm mirrors on my R25/2 and see relatively well. I have probably the same setup with handlebars. My bike is in the member galleries. I look down over the top of my hands and the reflection is from under the grips...it'll never be the same field of view as with handlebar mirrors and longer stalks. But it's pretty decent as far as I'm concerned. Actually, on my R69S with round handlebar mirrors, I see half behind me...the other half is my arm.

With the mirrors like you have them, it would almost seem like you will just see your hands on the grips. Since the mirrors are higher, the angle of sight in and out will be reduced. With the mirrors mounted the other way, the sight angle is increased into the mirror and subsequently, the reflection comes from a bigger angle.

Whatever works for you!!

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...I think those mirrors are

...I think those mirrors are designed for USA bars, but you can try to rotate your low bars up bit (raise your hands out of the mirror view) and see if that works with the mirrors in their normal position?...inanycase, maybe safety and seeing what's behind you is more important than looks: save those for show, and put real mirrors on for go?...

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mirrors UP or Down

i have the same 'low' bars with my mirrors 'down'
but i'm a squat 5'9" - works fine for me

If it feels good - do it .

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Thanks

schrader7032 wrote:

Personally, I don't like the look. But I really don't see what the problem is with the headlight mirrors. I have Bumm mirrors on my R25/2 and see relatively well. I have probably the same setup with handlebars. My bike is in the member galleries. I look down over the top of my hands and the reflection is from under the grips...it'll never be the same field of view as with handlebar mirrors and longer stalks. But it's pretty decent as far as I'm concerned. Actually, on my R69S with round handlebar mirrors, I see half behind me...the other half is my arm.

With the mirrors like you have them, it would almost seem like you will just see your hands on the grips. Since the mirrors are higher, the angle of sight in and out will be reduced. With the mirrors mounted the other way, the sight angle is increased into the mirror and subsequently, the reflection comes from a bigger angle.

Whatever works for you!!

Thanks for the input. I'm not real wild about the way they look either, but actually I can see as well in them as I could my handle bar mirrors. So, as far as function they work really well like this. I tried every possible angle with them on the right way, and with the limited way the mirror pivots up and down on the arm there was only a small window where I could tighten them and not be looking at sky or the street. This was the case when I tried looking over or under my hands. So, I'll probably live with these for a while then maybe give my long arm handle bar mirrors another look.

I already feel pretty unsafe on this bike with the limited lights and no blinkers, so a good rear view is a must.

Thanks to everyone for their input!

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Lost cause?

As far back as my /2 memory goes, people have complained about not being able to see much with their headlight-mounted mirrors. The handlebar mounts are much better, and bar-ends, in my experience, are the best.

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Headlight mirrors

My Albert Headlight mirrors work fine.You just need to adjust them to not look at your thigh. Also the arms on mine point more down than what you have going . Try switching sides?

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Yes...can be frustrating. If

Yes...can be frustrating. If you don't find the "sweet spot" you end up getting a first rate view of your knuckles.

my best spot is to orient them so the shafts angle downwards ...on my one R-26 I even slightly increased the angle of the bend in a vice.

then angle the mirror itself to a perhaps 30 degree angle; then the lower 1/2 of the mirror gives me a sight-line that passes under the handlebar and gives me a good view both sides of what is behind me.

easily gives a good sight line under the low bars...the european bars.

took some experimentation mind you.

and all this is provided you are not at the RPM where the mirror vibrates and you can't see anything (grin)

nothing beats the look of those Bumm mirrors.

That said, if this current setup is working for you, stick with it

Only R-26 nuts... like me and you are going to notice if they are oriented up or down (grin)
I agonize over which grips to use on my 1956 or which gas cap is more authentic and a correct "period" item...and my wife says "get a life" (grin)

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Mirrors

I also like the look of the standard setup between looking down and seeing the reflection under the grips but it doesn't give the best view. I have had the thought of adding about 2'' on each mirror to get my thunder thigh out of the picture. I have two BMW's and on my 69S I may go with bar end mirrors and no turn signals. It would be nice to find a bar end mirror that has as well signals that would still be appropriate.....no skulls or lightning bolts, what are they thinking. I also have my bars turned down more than your picture I like the thought that nothing is higher than the headlight. Maybe a more of a harder ride but I need to feel like I'm square on and more in a racier position. Get a life ..... little do they know ....fussing with and riding a BMW is pretty good. cheers

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Went back to the handle bar mount

Spent a couple more hours this morning trying every possible position I could think of. Even tried mounting them in 2 available holes in the headlight mounting bracket. Nothing seems to work well enough for me to use these in real life situations.

So, I went back to my left side handle bar mount. I lowered it as much as possible so it does not look like a big antenna... Does Bumm make a handle bar mount with a shorter shaft? Anyway, after putting it back on, I was shocked at how much I can see from just one mirror. I can see more out of it than I could with both of the Albert copies.

Oh well, thanks for all of the replies and suggestions. May try again, but think I'll go take a ride now, and enjoy seeing who is riding my tail.

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My R69S had aftermarket

My R69S had aftermarket clamp-on mirrors on both sides. During the initial mechanical resto, I removed them and went with the single left-side screw in mirror. I was completely lost the first time I got on it and didn't find anything on the right side...it's such a force of habit to check left and right. I suppose I would have gotten used to it, but I couldn't put the clamp-on mirrors back on the bike fast enough!!

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Bar end suggestions

Any suggestions on after market bar end mirrors?

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I couldn't easily find much
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About bar-ends

Vech sells a nice pair of Albert stainless fold-down bar-end mirrors (accessory 202), and there are a number of generic versions that will work on just about any bike. I see Bumm bar-ends on ebay from time to time. I have a pair of vintage Stadium mirrors on my R69s. They work very well but are hard to find in good condition and likely to be relatively expensive, since they are favored by British bike owners. The UK company that currently owns the name (I think it's called Halycon) still makes a version of fold-downs.

Some dislike the look of bar-ends, and others are concerned about the added inches they add to the width of the handle bars. Those are not problems for me, and I appreciate the wide view they provide of what's behind me. Lane-splitters will need to recalibrate their passing technique to allow for the added width.

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bar end mirrors

1977cj5 wrote:

Any suggestions on after market bar end mirrors?

I have the same problem using headlamp mirrors, and I am actually thinking of changing them with the ones on this ebay shop.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/TRIUMPH-T21-5TA-3TA-21-RETRO-STYLE-HANDLEBAR-BAR-...

What do you think?

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Bar End

Hi. I looked at some like you posted at a local Cyclegear. The ones they had (forget the brand) were pretty cheap and were big. Thought it would be too much on the end of the bars.

I ended up with these. CRG Hindsight Lanesplitters. I know they are not period correct, but I love them. Had them 2 months now, and I absolutely love them. Very high quality, great field of view, they stay put, and fold in for tight parking spots. I feel very safe with them, and like they fact that they kind of just blend into the bike and don't jump out at you.

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not bad

not bad, I like the small size though I dont like the round shape of them, The ones I prefer dont sit on the sides of the bar but just above the grips if you adjust them so (see attached foto) and the (short of) oval shape fits better.
When I will have them on I'm gonna post some pics of it .
Cheers.

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