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Interesting Polish relic, or fake? The glass lense looks too good? Opinions welcomed.

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I think original. Mine is

I think original. Mine is known to exist as far back as 1946, my photos are not the best but it does have the same manufacture marking and DDR stamped on it. The lens does have a slightly different edge, a little deeper than yours. My lens also is like new.

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The lettering appears to be

The lettering appears to be D.R.P. which stands for Deutsches Reichs Patent. Usually there's a patent number shown but not always.

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Kurt, how do you know this

Kurt, how do you know this stuff? No I'm not knocking it, think its kool that you know a lot of this stuff. & I don't have the foggiest idea.

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Well, I collect and service

Well, I collect and service anniversary clocks or 400-day clocks as they're also known. Germany was a hotbed for these clocks going back to the late 1800s and early 1900s. Many patents and trademarks were released by the German government during first half of the 1900s...I've been reading about DRP and DRGM filings a lot lately. That's how I recognized the DRP stamp. At least I think that's what it represents in this case. Unsure why a patent is needed for a side reflector??

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!! Big Grin

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Reflector

Many thanks for your replies, Kurt I also collect early horology, going back to 1760. I have 2 KM Clocks, one a very early production.
As you would know made by Kieninger & Obergfel, later Kundo?
Although from what I have been told this reflector is not R12, however there are many period WW2 photos showing R12's with a variety of reflectors. The problem is the copies are not like the originals, and in my opinion can spoil a good rebuild.

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Yes, I'm familiar with Kundo,

Yes, I'm familiar with Kundo, K&O, Kieninger and Obergfell...I love how K&O is converted to German by adding "und" for the "&". They made anniversary clocks for a long time.

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BMW R12 Reflectors

Some interesting images courtesy of WAF. The tail light is the Bosch JN7, note how different it is from the copies.
Here we see clearly a reflector which is not the factory fitted one. Its interesting when you think of the origin of what you restore
and all the people from that provenance associated with it. So tread lightly and try to save the past in its original condition
for future historians to study.

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BMW R12 Rear mudguard reflector original factory

Does anyone have one, and if it would be great to see images for the detail, especially the stampings.
The diamond shaped one.

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