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Micha
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I tried to disassemble the front camshaft bearing in order to refurbish the cam.
The problem is that it cannot be pushed completely out, until it is released, because one of the cams interferes.
there's not enough room.
Please your help / ideas.
Thank you and a nice weekend.

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it is supposed to be pressed

it is supposed to be pressed off toward the front of the cam shaft,not towards the rear. Please do yourself a favor and buy the Barrington manual or any manual for that matter.......it is essential. There are great technical tips and pictures to guide you towards a successful rebuild. It is worth its weight in gold.

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Of course to the front. It

Of course to the front.
It can not be pushed the other way around.

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cam bearing

When I have problems disassembling engine parts and I don't have the tools, like a big press I take it to a local shop that can do it. It won't cost much and is a simple task to remove with a press. This should be quite easy to remove.
I also agree that the Barrington manual is essential. I couldn't have done my slinger cleaning project without it. Also, I bought the Ed Korn many in one tool. If you are doing your own work at home you must have these two items. They will make things 100 percent better. For me it was also totally helpful for plunger frame suspension removal and assembly as well as wiring harness replacement. I bought one for /2 and one for plunger frame and am so pleased they produced them. All the best, Michael

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camshaft bearing issue

Guys,
I have most of the tools, I have access to a lathe, a hydraulic press stand, I can weld and have most hand tools a mechanic will need. In this bearing case it's a matter of technique. A method of attacking the problem. I admit I didn't delve into it enough, so I asked over here. I think asking questions here will strengthen the forum, the connections between people and contribute to the discourse and discussion. Not to mention, of course, the knowledge we gather here in the forum. I think - and this is my opinion - that these are the main reasons the various forums exist. Of course, there are owners and managers of the forum and they are the ones who set the rules. I have no doubt about that.
This R51/3 project of mine is done with a very limited budget. I need the bike in a running order, that's it. The paint job will be poor, I know that already as it’s a very costly thing. But mechanically the machine will be top notch. I need her reliable and safe. So, I made some tools by my own (there are technical Matra drawing out there in the web) and the Barrington will have to wait, I'm afraid. I admit that I am missing it here and there, I understand that, but then again, I must look on every Shekel spent. I appreciate your help; you are always ready with an idea or a tip. On this one I will be glad to get a tip, again.
Thank you all.

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Bearing puller and press

Michael,

I just used a bearing clamshell puller (like in the picture I attached) to go under the bearing and then threaded a bolt into the front of the camshaft to push on. I put it in the hydraulic press and it came right out! It was not hard and I have done several like this. Once it starts moving it comes right off.

BTW, I like the tools you made!!!

I hope this helps.

James

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Thank you, James, I

Thank you, James, I appreciate your time.
Unfortunately, this puller can't reach the bearing from behind. You can see in the pictures that there is a lip at the bottom of the bearing house/holder, on the rear side. The front part of the bearing is sticking out and can not go any further after pushing it, because the cam on the other side on the shaft is in the way…

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is this what you're trying to do

Here are some instructions for the cam bearing removal.
If you can't afford a Barrington manual, probably a factory manual is available and cheaper.
It also details removal of the bearing. You really should have something.
Something the Barrington manual stresses a lot is applying heat when working on press fits.
Either disassembly or reassembly. 180-225*F

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I don't know the rules here

I don't know the rules here in this forum but I do not think that the solution to Micha's restricted budget restoration should be to copy pages from the Barrington book. I would assume there is a copy right on it. But even if not, Chris put a lot of effort into the making of this book and we should support him by buying and paying for it. Don't get me wrong, Dardaris, your intentions are good, just don't think its the right process.

Micha knows where to get the manuals. The original BMW manual is even available as download for free (I think here there is an agreement with the Company about copy rights).

I think a couple of times he got the recommendation to buy himself a proper manual before damaging expensive parts. He decided not to do so, which is a decision I respect. Yes, it triggers communication on the forum and that's what a forum is here for. Guess the only risk for Micha is, to create this damage before asking, or the Forum is getting tired of answering to questions which are excessively discussed in the various manuals.

my 2 cents

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I agree with Beemer100. I

I agree with Beemer100.
I really appreciate your help Dardaris. You took the time to scan and upload the instructions for me and I thank you kindly for that and for your good will, but I certainly don't want to infringe on copyright. I just thought there was someone here who had already done it himself and is able to explain. The process, by the way, is not detailed in the BMW manual. I will of course overcome this problem.
All this ping pong here makes me wonder: what is a decent question for this forum? What is not? What is a proper question? What can be asked and what will make this forum tired? Are all the processes outlined in this Barrington manual prohibited for questioning here in the forum?
As Bimmer100 said - it's my decision not to buy the guide right now. On the other hand - I don't think that only rich or wealthy people should enjoy these machines.
Bimmer100, I took your last comments to my attention.
Thank you all and a pleasant weekend Smile

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apology

You are correct of course. I should not have done it that way. I should have explained using my own words.
The Barrington books represent a lot of hard work and I made a mistake.

Micha - I think any question about these machines is a proper question. You'll know when the folks get tired - they will stop answering.
No processes or procedures are unacceptable to discuss. Just use your own words to describe and you won't get into trouble.
And don't copy pages of a copyrighted book.

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Thanks Dardaris

Thanks Dardaris Wave

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Do it yourself

Michael, I think you’re doing a great thing by attempting your engine rebuild on your own, and the construction of your own style of “Matra” tools shows your resourcefulness and ability to tackle this project. There is many ways that you can get information that’s helpful to your engine rebuild and this forum is certainly one of them and I think it’s fantastic that you’re willing to ask the questions and that others are willing to lend their own experience and/or knowledge. There are no questions pertaining to vintage BMW’s that are off limits here, and I hope that nobody here makes you feel like you’re asking too many or too much. And if they do feel that way, they should be so kind as to remove themselves from conversation, in my opinion.
As to the repeated persuasions from folks here to buy the Barrington manual, and the insinuation that you’re virtually doomed if you don’t....my opinion is that it’s a really great manual, well written, a fantastic reference and great photos and narrative and historical perspective, but overpriced and not 100% necessary for every person that chooses to tackle projects big or small on their BMW. You’ve stated your choice to not buy it right from the beginning of your project, and that’s completely respectable. Also, buying that book, as at least one person has insinuated, will not replace buying or making the right tools to take your motor apart.
If you do happen to make a mistake, which you probably will but that’s how you learn, there’s plenty of replacement parts available if it comes to that. Obviously we don’t want to destroy parts carelessly, but you seem to be taking your time enough to be careful.

I say keep doing it, get manuals and factory data wherever and whenever you can within your own personal budget, keep asking questions and keep making those great tools! Your experience and questions will undoubtedly help lots of others!

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Micha, do you have a press?

It has been 53 years since I last saw the inside of my 51/3, but looking at your pictures, it looks like you have to press the cam out of the bearing by using a tool that Jambo showed you, or make an "or equal", since you seem to have the ability. Then, as Jambo stated,
press the cam out of the bearing while it is in the housing, then you can take the bearing out of the housing.
Most mechanical problems can be solved by a good visual inspection and asking "how did they put this together?"
On the other hand, I may be entirely wrong about the sequence of operations, and you may ignore this entire post.
Good luck

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Micha, You've probably

Micha,
You've probably figured this out by now but Captonzap is correct. Cam shaft out of the bearing then bearing out of the holder.
Pay attention to the way the bearing is installed, the groove goes toward the lobes.
Good luck.

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Copyright

We have had a complaint from the copyright owner, and I have removed the scans uploaded here from the copyrighted book. The club cannot be complicit in allowing copyrighted material to remain on the site, once we become aware of it.

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